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welcome back to another fantastic

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episode of uap studies i'm joined by

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louis borges louis how you doing my man

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i'm doing really good brother how are

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you i'm doing very good we got a

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fantastic guest today uh makai matthew

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morin is joining us and uh basically

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we're just gonna get right into it if

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that's okay with you makai

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sounds great great so basically tell us

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just a little bit about yourself um we'd

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like to know basically when we have

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somebody on

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what is your experience with uaps as a

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kid

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what got you into the subject because it

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still kind of a niche subject right now

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um a small community

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but a community that's growing

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nonetheless so um without uh you know uh

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further ado if you will

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yeah teach us a little bit about your

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your background well thanks thanks for

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asking i don't generally talk about you

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know my my my youth and interests uh

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proceeding to today

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my childhood i was

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i have high functioning asperger's when

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i was a child it wasn't

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a really documented thing i'm sure many

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other children had it as well

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but it was just kind of seen as

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sort of

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experience you start to learn

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more things about the universe and how

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the universe operates at fundamental

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levels and it's a really interesting

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topic for me

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as a kid i i loved

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taking things apart

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i was always fascinated with space i i

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wanted to be an astronaut

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to the extent that

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i ended up

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you know studying

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science and physics and

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really dove into astrophysics i started

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college early

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i even took

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flying lessons my father had planes he

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in the green beret and had retired and

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carried on his interest in flying and

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had had planes so we flew together and i

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took lessons

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hoping one day i could

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join the air force or navy and work

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toward becoming an astronaut

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unfortunately due to not not only my

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uh i guess they call it a disability i

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don't consider it

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as such personally for myself but also

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plan uh quite substantially

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so i left college and i kind of

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backpacked europe and the middle east

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i could see where things were heading

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talking and meeting new people i was

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giving advice and that turned into

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advisory roles

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specialize in helping

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new tech ventures and science fact

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ventures procure funding

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these startups who have disruptive

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financing world or or don't understand

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on the side i do a lot of these podcasts

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discussing uh futurism uh

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executives and administrative teams for

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uap-related experiences as a child i did

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experiences that were

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non-scientific because i i couldn't

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explain them scientifically

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serendipitous or coincidental to the ex

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yeah very interesting um

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however i i haven't i haven't told

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anybody this uh except for two other

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people and my wife but there was a uh i

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did have an experience

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six eight months ago um

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i was sleeping

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sent quite soundly with my wife uh and i

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was having this really really vivid

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uh that i was

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sounds insane we were flying through the

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cosmos and they were showing me this

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this immense battle that was occurring

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and then they were showing

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flash i say they was this uh

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formless kind of

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uh being entities in my subconscious i

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kind of labeled them as

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uh quote-unquote aliens and i'm not

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saying this occurred right i'm just

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saying this is what i dreamt

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and uh very very vivid

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almost uh lucid i don't know if you've

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ever had a lucid dream

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i've had a few in my life not many but i

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you're you're consciously aware and you

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can actually control the outcomes of

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your dreams which are great i've always

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wished i could have had more but the the

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reality in this dream was that lucidity

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level i couldn't control it but it was

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that it could have been uh reality

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because we i heard a noise and i was

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just soaked with sweat

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and i have a off network alarm system in

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my house which means that it's not

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for security reasons i do a lot of

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nda stuff and i have to maintain a

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certain level of security

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triggered at the same time because they

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and again this could be coincidental

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that it occurred with with this strange

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appease my wife who was like what the

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hell is going on

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i also felt like i had to check on you

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know my house so i got up put on my robe

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and kind of poked around the house and i

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occurrence with the phenomenon that i'm

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sensation of being pulled or rush

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any sensation well before i woke up i

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thrown at a at a tremendous velocity

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sweat and my sensor panel

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going off so it was a strange instance

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and it feels funny to share that i've

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held that quite privately

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that's what this is all about right

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um and having talked louie and i haven't

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talked with a few of these uh

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past abductees like kathleen martin

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occurring in abductions that people feel

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that sensation so that's that's curious

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that happened to you as well yeah it

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could be from my my

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recollection of

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learning and hearing others and somehow

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wove that into my subconscious narrative

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i'm not sure i hesitate to say that i

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was abducted because i have no evidence

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of such

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i have no physical markings i have no

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memories other than my very vivid dream

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again we'll leave that up to your

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nice and

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on the subject of uap so what got you

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initially interested in the subject

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because before this point you've never

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really had any

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sightings or anything like that you

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mentioned as a kid so something must

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have triggered that interest for you so

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cursory interest in in the topic mostly

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stemming from technological capabilities

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i wasn't so much interested

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in the nuances spiritualism

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consciousness i mean that's always been

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a topic that's interested me but it was

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really the technology i mean that's at

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the heart of what i do it's the heart of

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my meetings it was wasn't during it was

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after a meeting i had

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when i started my career i worked with a

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couple

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aerospace companies i thought i was

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doing

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amazing in my career here i was finally

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getting the big contracts and

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working with

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these aerospace and defense companies

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anyway after one of the meetings you

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occasionally will just casually shoot

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the with some of the other

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people who were present

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back then this was pre-covered so we

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and

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more than once i had spoken to

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not just interests but

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firsthand

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accounts of technologies relating to

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the phenomenon which obviously that i

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found that

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very fascinating i've always been

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interested in researching

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uh electrogravitic

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field generation field propulsion

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uh because that's honestly that's not

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pseudoscience i know a lot of people

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you know don't trust the science there

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there's a tremendous amount of

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legitimacy in

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electrogravity propulsion

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the science says so

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the physics say so

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the

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engineering could

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it is certainly possible we don't have

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the power uh distribution or storage

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capabilities at present public knowledge

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uh to to generate voltages that would be

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required to have such an effect that

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does not mean it's impossible so i've

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always been interested in researching it

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um and then just having a talk with with

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one of these

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engineers who's

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later years he's i would say mid to late

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60s so he had been

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around for a long time he probably

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should have retired

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a long time ago but he was telling me

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he had worked for these other companies

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so in the aerospace sector

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what's happened over the last

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40 years has been a tremendous amount of

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consolidations

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patent trading ip hoarding

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so all the companies that exist now are

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really conglomerates of

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aerospace companies that were around

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prior so this goes back to the early

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1900s 1900s

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and

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so this guy had worked uh at a couple

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other companies

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and

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he started telling me some things that i

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found extremely interesting because it

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had actually correlated with some of the

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research i i read a lot of scientific

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publications that are really dry really

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boring that really don't make the light

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of day

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sometimes because they're

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so out there that

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people just don't want to touch them

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from the scientific or intellectual

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community

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um

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but he had made a statement uh that i

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told somebody recently

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he he told me to follow the mercury and

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at the time

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i i didn't realize there was such a

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breath of uh

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information on the on mercury relating

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to the phenomena so naturally i went

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back and

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started my research on that topic

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and i started to see some interesting

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patterns and started to

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look up research pertaining to

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um

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high vertices

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mercury

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different types of

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vaporized mercury and some of the

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effects that occur from that and they

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correlate with uh a lot of these

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gravitic stranges that that we see from

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the phenomenon and then you start to see

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historic accounts pertaining to

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mercury being either a associated with

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the phenomena or b

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somehow

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collected

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by governments so we saw

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the the nazis were extremely interested

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after the war happened

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we were finding u-boats filled with uh

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mercury

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and some people have claimed that the

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mercury is used for industrial use

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sure but you don't need mercury in the

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amounts that we were finding and

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certainly you wouldn't have that as top

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priority on some of the best u-boats

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hidden away and kind of

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found in all sorts of areas argentina

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antarctica i think somewhere in the

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philippines as well so there's this

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interesting uh relation to mercury and

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this guy turned me on to it and that

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kind of started my whole analysis i

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started to look at the phenomena as a

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as a trend as

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so i looked up the history and then i

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don't know if you saw my presentation on

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project unity's podcast where i kind of

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5 000 years of uap

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historical accounts and chronological

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order

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if you haven't seen it uh please take a

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look at it it's it's really

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uh has a lot of information that i was

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able to collect

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and what that's like a thousand years

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that's that's quite a bit

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yeah yeah

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yeah and and uh the pattern is there

430
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there's just a statistically significant

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pattern of observation so what that

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means is

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the

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written and oral accounts that were

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recovered and and all the references i

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use are cited and and shown

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uh in the presentation so people can

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review it

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um

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and the jock filet had several but i

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expanded upon that

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and what it shows is there's a clear

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clear

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significance in what is being observed

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over the course of a thousand years up

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until the last hundred years when the

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observations get more muddled and i i

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think that's

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probably merely due to the

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purposeful

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obfuscation of governments trying to

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control the narrative which didn't

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happen pre-circa

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you know

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20th century

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so everything before that is almost more

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legitimate in terms of

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accounting of what is being seen

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than to today where people have

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alternative

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means and reasons to

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portray uap and the phenomenon

463
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when you mention anti-gravity devices

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and things like that it reminds me of

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what lou elizondo came up with the you

466
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know quote unquote five observables um

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positive lift or anti-gravity

468
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instantaneous acceleration hypersonic

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velocities uh low observability or

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cloaking and trans-medium travel you

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know it doesn't seem to matter if it's

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air or space or water

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um you know some of the things the navy

474
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has has caught anything that's going 4

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or 500 miles an hour underwater

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is like double the greatest torpedo that

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we know

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exists right and you know it's a lot

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more viscous being in water medium

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and you know we know the challenges of

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going deep because that's why we haven't

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really explored much of our ocean it's

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just such a hostile and almost

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impossible place to go um yeah so like

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you know do you have any thoughts on the

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other observables you mentioned

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anti-gravity technology but can you

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contribute maybe to some other uh parts

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of that yeah yeah they they're all

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attributed to electro electrogravitic

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field generation so all of these

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observables are natural byproducts of

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uh extremely

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high and intense

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uh electrogravitic fields or at least

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that's what is theorized based on actual

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physics models

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of what would occur

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with these gravitic fields so you would

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have

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trans-medium travel no problem because

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the bubble that surrounds the the craft

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or object

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uh doesn't

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it it isn't interacting with the

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physical world as we know it so there is

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no friction there would be no sound

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there would be no

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difference between traveling through

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water or air other than water has a

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higher density perhaps

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it still wouldn't wouldn't matter

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perhaps pressure but i don't think so

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enough voltage could overcome any

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obstacle

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so you'd have um

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you'd have bending of light

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which is

519
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that's also a product of it so when when

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you

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are looking at these bubbles in

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space-time

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example so let's let's say we have a

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craft operating

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with uh electrogravitic field

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um propulsion is also a byproduct

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because it's not being propulsed it's

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slipping it's slipping through our

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space-time so space-time is is

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it sounds nuanced and and pseudoscience

531
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only by definition but it that's how you

532
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would accurately describe it and so as

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they slip through our

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reality or space time

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any light waves would just

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bend right around it unless they alter

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the the frequency or voltage of the

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field to allow

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some

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visual change in dynamic

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or if the

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another byproduct could be glowing uh we

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talked about that last time the

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ionization of the air around it just

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from the strong field

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uh and as our atmosphere is made up of

547
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different gases

548
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the color the ionization

549
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is would naturally change also the

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doppler effect there's a number of

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reasons why the color could change aside

552
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from choice it could be there simply

553
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just a choice

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why they choose to have different

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uh spectra emitting from from their

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00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,840
craft it's like a neon light you know

557
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you put neon in a tube you charge it and

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you get a certain color but if you were

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to use you know nitrogen or some other

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gas or correct some combination of gases

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that's how you could vary the color just

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00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,240
based on its elemental properties anyway

563
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right right and i'm not an engineer or a

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physicist so i just want to put that out

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there so if i do make mistakes your

566
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:24,880
viewers hold me to a level

567
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that is understanding you mentioned

568
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propulsion and um you know what are your

569
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thoughts on for example like when you

570
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:33,280
see the gimbal video it doesn't seem to

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have any heat um you know it doesn't

572
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,559
seem to have any uh control surfaces or

573
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evident propulsion there is kind of a

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fuzzy

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00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,720
almost like an electromagnetic static or

576
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haze around it maybe that's the envelope

577
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,880
that it travels through but what are

578
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:50,960
your thoughts on lack of heat you know

579
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:53,600
no sonic boom no control surfaces no

580
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:55,840
propulsion what do you think

581
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:58,480
i think that um

582
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:01,120
obviously there's there's higher quality

583
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:06,480
videos of of that footage yeah also the

584
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,320
so the the way a bubble works is that

585
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:12,559
no radiation

586
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:13,440
whether

587
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,279
light or infrared or whatever

588
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:19,679
could be observed if if

589
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:22,880
the occupants didn't want it to be

590
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,120
so you know if they're using infrared

591
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:27,919
cameras and they didn't want to be seen

592
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:29,679
they would just use the ambient

593
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,000
temperature around them so what that's

594
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,000
telling me is that this

595
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:36,799
object a

596
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:39,120
didn't care if it was being observed so

597
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:42,799
it had no sense of danger or two

598
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,320
it wanted to be seen in whatever spectra

599
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:48,000
it was displaying

600
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,360
or allowing to pass through

601
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:53,120
and those are the only options i can

602
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,320
think of worth three it's uh

603
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,240
illegitimate which i actually i don't

604
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,039
believe that to be the case just because

605
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:04,000
i've spoken to um

606
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:06,559
some of the pilots that witnessed these

607
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,760
crafts

608
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:08,799
so i know

609
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,840
i know

610
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:11,919
based on my own accounting that that

611
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:12,840
they are

612
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:15,679
real the gimbal footage

613
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:19,990
we need better

614
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:23,120
spectra uh uh camera systems because

615
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:24,159
right now

616
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:27,279
on the on the planes and other craft we

617
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:30,799
utilize to perceive targets and threats

618
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:34,080
we mainly use infrared

619
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,440
visual

620
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,679
and

621
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:39,679
not from my knowledge i don't believe we

622
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:40,400
use

623
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,840
ultraviolet cameras much uh perhaps we

624
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,000
do but i think we really need to start

625
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:49,520
focusing on extreme spectral imaging

626
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,039
which covers a much much larger gamut of

627
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:56,000
the visual spectra or non-visual spectra

628
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,760
for that matter i i think we should go

629
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,520
from x-ray to

630
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:02,159
ultraviolet and so on

631
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:03,440
that's the only way we're going to see

632
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:07,520
these things also we need to focus on

633
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:10,240
high frequency gravity waves because

634
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:11,279
right now

635
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,799
in astrophysics what they do to perceive

636
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,279
black holes is we have these very

637
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:18,480
primitive

638
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,000
of the most sophisticated

639
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,720
instrumentation on the planet but

640
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:26,640
we we look for

641
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:29,760
low frequency gravity waves that are

642
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,679
emitted from black holes or supernova or

643
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:35,279
anything of that sort

644
00:26:39,789 --> 00:26:38,080
so these these crafts as a as a

645
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,799
byproduct of

646
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:42,240
electrogravitic fields

647
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,279
they would be emanating

648
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,039
and i don't think you could

649
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:49,760
subvert this it's just a natural law of

650
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:51,760
functioning in our universe is that it

651
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:54,400
would emit high frequency gravity waves

652
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,200
like little ripples in a pond right

653
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,799
right and we're not looking for the

654
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,480
little ripples we're looking for the

655
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:02,880
tidal waves you'll never see a ripple if

656
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,360
you're just focused on tidal waves so i

657
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,360
think the the best approach that we

658
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:09,200
could start to

659
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,320
really

660
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,320
uh pick these up i think we would pick

661
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:14,720
them up quite quickly

662
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,679
is if we turned our focus on on high

663
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,240
frequency gravity waves right because

664
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,559
we're limited on on what we can see

665
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,440
we're limited on what we can hear

666
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:28,080
if these things or these entities know

667
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,799
are

668
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,960
or you know how we're made up then they

669
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:32,480
know how to hide from us because they

670
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,600
know certain

671
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,760
you know uh lights we can't see so

672
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,679
they'll hide in that frequency so that

673
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,840
makes sense um they're probably a lot

674
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,919
more prevalent through our airspace at

675
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,840
all times than we actually assume that

676
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:44,960
they are

677
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:47,600
if they're hiding it within that yeah

678
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,760
i i do think they are and i think that

679
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,039
they're

680
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:53,039
and i've i've used this

681
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,559
i always confuse

682
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:56,720
analogy and metaphor but i've always

683
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,520
used this analogy that um

684
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,520
if you're you know a biologist and

685
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:03,840
you're in the jungle and you are you're

686
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:07,120
studying a primitive ape species right

687
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,679
uh you want to stay hidden in the trees

688
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:12,080
you don't want to disrupt the the life

689
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,120
of the

690
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:15,600
primitive species however if they see

691
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:16,640
you

692
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:20,000
they'd offer no

693
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:21,679
immediate threat unless you're real

694
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,159
close and they can physically attack you

695
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,559
but if you had a stun gun or something

696
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:28,880
you they offer no threat so if they see

697
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:31,679
you a big deal in general purpose you

698
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,399
want us you want to remain hidden right

699
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,320
and i think that's what we're observing

700
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,039
with the phenomena i think in in

701
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,960
practice they want to stay hidden

702
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,480
however if

703
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:45,120
whatever function they're they're doing

704
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:46,559
uh

705
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,799
creates them to to have moments of

706
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,399
perception

707
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,200
what do they care yeah honestly

708
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,000
yes not like we can do anything about it

709
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,799
right yeah

710
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,399
i wanted to ask you about the uh the

711
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,039
scientific coalition for uap studies uh

712
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,960
jason and i were chatting about it last

713
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:06,880
night before the show and uh yeah i

714
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,880
understand you're a valued contributor

715
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,640
and part of that group and for those of

716
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,200
our listeners i'm not a formal member no

717
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:15,440
no you're you're sorry if i misled you

718
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:18,320
jason oh i'm sorry yeah my my apologies

719
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,000
i thought you were part of the coalition

720
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:22,320
no no okay you wanna do you wanna cancel

721
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,039
the interview no no no tell us about it

722
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,880
anyway i'm intrigued and most of our

723
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,799
listeners may not have heard of it so

724
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,960
what is it what's its function and is it

725
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,880
making any progress

726
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:34,480
uh it is

727
00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:35,279
it

728
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:43,960
of salt but they're they're working on

729
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:45,679
methodologies

730
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,480
and

731
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:48,720
creating a

732
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:51,440
intellectual network to

733
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,240
help

734
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,440
research the phenomena outside of

735
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:57,919
agency so outside of government

736
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:01,279
oversight this is more of a

737
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:03,919
public kind of domain

738
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:08,080
research think tank group of individuals

739
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,600
who are

740
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:11,360
generally quite acclaimed in their

741
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,399
fields

742
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:14,960
uh have overcome the

743
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:16,000
uh

744
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,360
fear of

745
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,520
discussing the topic you know that

746
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,600
they've removed the giggle factor and

747
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,840
they see it as a as a

748
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:24,880
interest

749
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:27,919
and pursuit of scientific endeavor which

750
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:28,960
it is

751
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,840
and uh that that's

752
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,840
put simply that's what they're doing and

753
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:35,760
they're right now they're still working

754
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:38,240
on means and practice and methodology

755
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,640
instrumentation there's a lot to

756
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:42,000
a lot to do

757
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,320
with the eventual goal to

758
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,720
wholeheartedly study the phenomenon in

759
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,559
the best scientific

760
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,720
possible way

761
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,960
and actually that actually leads me to a

762
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,720
question because i've always just

763
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:56,640
discussed this but uh get more

764
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:57,760
intellects

765
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,399
involved into the uap

766
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,679
subject

767
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:03,919
and so people like yourself uh people

768
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,320
like the scientific coalition uh you

769
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,480
know government officials so

770
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,320
what's it gonna take for the rest of the

771
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:13,200
intellect um world to sort of start

772
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:19,750
well you you have to consider what

773
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,519
intellectuals hold dear the most

774
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:25,039
what's the most prized thing an

775
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,640
intellectual has

776
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:29,279
that's their credibility right

777
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:31,840
their credibility is their number one

778
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,880
resource it's their tradable commodity

779
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:35,840
and

780
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:38,159
you know up until recently the risk

781
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:41,760
versus reward on even coming

782
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,480
close to the topic of discussion

783
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:47,360
uh wasn't worth it wasn't worth risking

784
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,480
your credibility in your specific or

785
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,320
respective field

786
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,480
however that's changing

787
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:55,679
thankfully

788
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:58,799
um and that's changing because uh

789
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:01,679
i think the interest in uaps from the

790
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,039
media is

791
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,000
it look it they don't want to cover it

792
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,159
any more than then the government wants

793
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:10,399
to cover it however media it's a

794
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:11,519
business

795
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:15,120
and a company can only get by on an

796
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:19,600
unchanged product or service for so long

797
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:22,799
if the consumer market demands a change

798
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,000
in the goods or services

799
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,080
a company would be foolish to ignore it

800
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:30,720
it just is bad business right so when

801
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:33,519
you have a consumer market which is the

802
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:36,640
general public who consumes the media

803
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,200
is now gaining in

804
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:42,240
acceptance that the phenomena is in fact

805
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:43,279
real

806
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,240
um the media has to you know drag its

807
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,200
feet and come around to it and involve

808
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:51,840
it into their product and service

809
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:54,399
uh this you know this is this is general

810
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,159
business with with most monopolistic

811
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:00,640
uh business mentalities you know your

812
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,279
car market you don't want to change your

813
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,679
process and and

814
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,159
the way you design cars but if the

815
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,880
consumer market is banging on the door

816
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,120
and refusing to purchase cars because

817
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:15,440
you're not adding a seat belt or you're

818
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,000
not you know electrifying

819
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,240
the only way you can remain competitive

820
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,000
is to

821
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,080
heed to the whims of the the market and

822
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:26,720
that's what media is doing so media is

823
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:30,000
picking up on the uap phenomenon and

824
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,840
starting to cover it a little more it's

825
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:34,080
been slow they still have the giggle

826
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:35,200
factor

827
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:38,880
which is really hardwired into news

828
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:41,200
sources

829
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,240
but

830
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,480
so that's that's really allowing

831
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:46,000
intellectuals

832
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:49,760
uh to come out and feel okay about

833
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:53,519
risking their credibility

834
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:56,559
the risk now is much much lower so the

835
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,559
risk versus reward

836
00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:59,679
is now

837
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:01,840
more balanced right

838
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,440
that might be some of the reason why you

839
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:06,080
don't hear much from the air force navy

840
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,760
seems to be more you know forthcoming

841
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,919
with information videos and whatever but

842
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:11,919
that stigma must still be there i mean

843
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:13,839
if you're in the air force you need to

844
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:17,040
be a sharp thinker you know battle ready

845
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,480
you're operating very expensive

846
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,800
equipment reaction times all that you

847
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,560
know airline pilots for years and years

848
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,159
have said it's a big deal to bring that

849
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,879
up can you imagine being a fighter pilot

850
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,879
you said risk versus reward

851
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:30,879
either there's a big hush on the whole

852
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,440
department or it's just still commonly

853
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,200
accepted that don't talk about this or

854
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:36,960
you'll never fly again

855
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:39,200
the numbers would prove that anyway

856
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,320
yeah i

857
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:42,960
you know i i don't disagree with you i i

858
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,760
i would actually say that the

859
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:47,599
the the

860
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:52,310
the level of um

861
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,599
ingenuity intellectualism talent uh

862
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:57,920
actually exists in all the branches of

863
00:35:01,190 --> 00:35:00,079
them oh for sure yes they do different

864
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:01,200
things

865
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:03,920
the air force is traditionally more on

866
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:06,640
information technologies but the navy

867
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:09,680
certainly does its fair share of

868
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:13,200
designing technologies

869
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:16,800
i think the air force is uh more

870
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,599
push hush on it because

871
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:22,320
i think they have a lot more to to hide

872
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,440
to be quite frank and i think the navy

873
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:27,680
so this is my hypothesis i'll put this

874
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,720
out there do not take this as as fact

875
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,119
everything i'm saying here is just my

876
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,079
hypothesis it's my opinion i have

877
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,960
opinions based on years of thought about

878
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,560
this subject

879
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,240
you know working professionally with

880
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,040
some topics surrounding this

881
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,440
but i think that

882
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:50,000
traditionally

883
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:53,520
within the military branches all of them

884
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,480
um

885
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,040
at the at the mid management level so

886
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:00,079
we're talking captains rear admirals

887
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,040
colonels brigadier generals no higher

888
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:05,040
and certainly no lower

889
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,079
uh that these secrets have existed and

890
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,240
why why is it that i think that it's

891
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:13,200
because once you get higher in rank

892
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:14,560
you're more public

893
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,800
directly to other more public people and

894
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,480
when you're kind of sitting in that

895
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,000
medium

896
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:26,000
not only do you have longer careers

897
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,599
traditionally

898
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,079
and you ha also have a a tremendous

899
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,320
amount of

900
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:35,040
authority within your given you know

901
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:41,750
i i truly believe that's where a lot of

902
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:44,160
these secrets are held so

903
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:47,440
when you have um officials coming from

904
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:48,400
these

905
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:53,359
military saying you know i don't know

906
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,040
what the hell you guys are talking about

907
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,440
we don't have anything on here

908
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:59,599
because that's it's a built-in plausible

909
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:01,119
deniability

910
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:05,119
it is intended to to to be that way

911
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,320
and has been that way for a long time so

912
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,359
this has been passed on for decades this

913
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:12,880
practice of

914
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,160
utilizing the classification system as a

915
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,760
means to

916
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,200
maintain

917
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:22,560
uh secrecy on the topic and so what we

918
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,680
have here

919
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:25,200
and

920
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:28,560
disagree that these congressional

921
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,160
hearings and these senators and even

922
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:34,320
officials military officials generals

923
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,470
i i don't doubt that they have separate

924
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,960
studies that they have kind of slap

925
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,640
stick together to figure out what the

926
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:48,720
hell is going on meanwhile within their

927
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,920
own branches these secrets and this

928
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,079
research is conducted

929
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,200
uh and it cannot be touched at all

930
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,280
legally it can't be

931
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:02,320
and and it's just been operating in that

932
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,160
kind of limbo of these branches these

933
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:08,560
these captains colonels rear animals

934
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:12,800
brigadier generals and whatever you know

935
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:16,960
ssp or super black project and they work

936
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,760
they're tied closely with with aerospace

937
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:21,200
companies who

938
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,560
produce the widgets that go into these

939
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:26,640
uh

940
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,240
kind of think tanks or research projects

941
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:32,960
and a lot of times these tech companies

942
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:34,480
don't really even know what they're

943
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:35,760
doing

944
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,079
right they they're they're told we have

945
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,480
to produce this real sophisticated

946
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,160
instrument or this real

947
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,640
uh sophisticated material

948
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,400
the aerospace company

949
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:48,400
knows the drill don't ask questions you

950
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:51,680
just do it and get paid a boat tone

951
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,560
a ton of money right yeah and

952
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:57,119
the money goes comes from these black

953
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,880
programs that don't have any

954
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,440
accountability that exists in this

955
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,320
nether world and they legally do so so

956
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,079
we can't sit here and say

957
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:08,720
you know these people are villains

958
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,880
they're criminals they're operating

959
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,280
within a legal structure that has been

960
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:15,920
created over decades and decades to

961
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,119
perpetuate this obfuscation through the

962
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,880
classification system i don't think

963
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:23,200
that's right and a lot of military

964
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,400
officials also think that this process

965
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:29,440
is broken yeah but you can't really do

966
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:32,800
anything about it you can't just

967
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,599
demand so you say you have a two three

968
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:36,960
star general

969
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:39,280
go to one of these uh colonels or

970
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:41,680
brigadier generals who's been read in on

971
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,040
these projects they can't make them

972
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:47,040
tell them no matter what it's against

973
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:49,119
the it's against the the rules and

974
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:51,920
regulations of that branch so the

975
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,480
general would actually be the one who

976
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,480
would be breaking the rules

977
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:58,320
and so that's how this stuff has

978
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:01,839
remained hidden from you know congress

979
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,240
has been hidden from the administrations

980
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:06,960
that have come and gone over time

981
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:10,560
and uh it exists in this real nebulous

982
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,640
area and i think that the senators now

983
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,280
are really trying to devise who these

984
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,960
gatekeepers are

985
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,920
because

986
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:21,680
a lot of times

987
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,079
people will say well there's no grand

988
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,240
government cover-up you're right there

989
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:28,960
isn't it's slightly more insidious right

990
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,359
it's not a grand cover-up in that the

991
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:33,760
people at the top have no idea and

992
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:35,440
they've been trying to figure this out

993
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,319
for decades and they can't access that

994
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:40,800
information so they put together their

995
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,680
own crappy little programs

996
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:45,680
right right they put together their own

997
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,000
programs with limited information and

998
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,400
they're trying to get budgeted through

999
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,160
you know congress and trying to get

1000
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,760
these sap

1001
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,920
titles on the program so they can get

1002
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:56,960
funding

1003
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,599
but no you know no congressman is going

1004
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:01,680
to be caught dead

1005
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:04,880
up until recently funding these programs

1006
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,839
thank thank harry reid

1007
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,960
so

1008
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,440
that's that's where i think it exists

1009
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,520
it's the accountability right there's

1010
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,440
nobody to hold accountable for the

1011
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:17,680
information or who owns the information

1012
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,400
it's designed that way yeah so it's very

1013
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:22,960
clever you know

1014
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:25,520
when when this was put together i don't

1015
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,319
know i suspect it was

1016
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,200
it was during the time of eisenhower

1017
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:33,520
to be quite frank maybe it was being

1018
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,000
constructed before him

1019
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,880
but this means of classification

1020
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,200
really is uh

1021
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:43,280
was a stroke of genius

1022
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,079
the way they constructed this

1023
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,560
because there's no way you can access it

1024
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,640
there's no way that the

1025
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,960
any military branch has to

1026
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:54,880
take accountability because they have

1027
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,000
none right they have no accountability

1028
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,400
because they don't know what's happening

1029
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,400
they use the term need to know

1030
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,440
uh as convenient as it needs to be used

1031
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,440
and let's be honest there's factions of

1032
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,359
people in the government in the military

1033
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:11,200
they're not changing hands every time

1034
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:12,800
there's a new leader of the political

1035
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,240
party no no these people have 30 40-year

1036
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:18,400
because that stuff is very top secret

1037
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:20,000
they're trustworthy they're one of a

1038
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,599
handful of people correct you're not

1039
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,200
going to replace these people with any

1040
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:25,920
real frequency so to your point of these

1041
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:28,839
secrets are locked up in that sort of

1042
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,640
generation i 100 agree with that yep

1043
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,480
yeah i would say with certainty that's

1044
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,800
where that's where it lies and you you

1045
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,359
get the wilson memo leagues you get

1046
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,520
senators you get generals you get

1047
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,359
presidents who say that they've been

1048
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:45,359
told they don't have a need to know what

1049
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,920
no one ever asks

1050
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,720
is

1051
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:50,400
who who says

1052
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,839
who says this not people focus on the

1053
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,960
what

1054
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,400
and the why

1055
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:58,800
no one ever says

1056
00:43:03,990 --> 00:42:59,599
who

1057
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,000
need to know right and that's where i

1058
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,200
think the investigations are starting to

1059
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:09,680
find these i i refer to them as

1060
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:12,720
gatekeepers you call them whatever

1061
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,680
i think that these gatekeepers are

1062
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,760
deeply entrenched they have a lot of

1063
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,760
clout they've probably spent

1064
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,280
decades

1065
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,400
developing defense tactics to any

1066
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,880
intrusion or incursion into their little

1067
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,839
world

1068
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,760
and that's not hard in the intelligence

1069
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,280
world we all know

1070
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,359
you know you can build a dossier on

1071
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:36,000
people who are looking into you and

1072
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:38,960
easily create some fictitious thing to

1073
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:41,760
either get them kicked out ousted bad

1074
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:44,000
press you know throw them off it's not

1075
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,119
hard this

1076
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:48,000
this is basic counter intelligence this

1077
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:48,800
is

1078
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,839
reality and even outside influences like

1079
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:55,920
let's say the cold war and trying to

1080
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,400
defend yourself against espionage those

1081
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,000
tactics and things that they would have

1082
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,240
picked up and learned they also

1083
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,480
infiltrate everything else in military

1084
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,359
as well so whether it's the uap topic or

1085
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,440
other classified stuff they're using

1086
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,240
that same practice that has been tried

1087
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:14,480
and true for other times where it was

1088
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,200
important you know war times or

1089
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,599
potential threat thereof yeah um you

1090
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,520
know that's just how that has kind of

1091
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,599
it's it's gone into everything and

1092
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,599
that's why they're so good at it

1093
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:27,440
but it begs the question though

1094
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,480
because we're talking about the

1095
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,800
gatekeepers so they're still around and

1096
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:33,200
now you have this new uap task force

1097
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,560
that's supposed to be

1098
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,880
investigating this are they going to

1099
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,040
eventually cross path at some point

1100
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,880
there's got to be some sort of event

1101
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,880
that's going to take place where

1102
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,400
you know the gatekeepers get there

1103
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,240
because you know we hear about that

1104
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:47,920
incident on the ship

1105
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,560
and 20 minutes later a helicopter lands

1106
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:52,960
civilian looking men come out they grab

1107
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,119
all the tapes and take off again so

1108
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,200
obviously there's already a group in

1109
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:59,440
place doing this stuff yeah they weren't

1110
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,119
held accountable back then nobody knew

1111
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:03,280
who they were now you got the uap task

1112
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,480
force that's going to be trying to do

1113
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,400
the same thing but eventually they're

1114
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,920
going to something's going to happen

1115
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,280
they're going to bump into each other

1116
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,119
right because you got the old school

1117
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,720
guys that are still doing this and then

1118
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:14,640
you got the the new guys on the block

1119
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,680
trying to figure out what the hell's

1120
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,599
going on

1121
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:18,720
turf war

1122
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:26,309
uh early on

1123
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:31,440
when the cia and fbi kind of were

1124
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:34,640
kind of one thing back in the day right

1125
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:35,920
so

1126
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:38,640
god the year's eluding me but there was

1127
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:41,920
a time when a lot of the same roles

1128
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:44,240
overlapped and this was i can't remember

1129
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:47,359
if it was the before the cia i believe

1130
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:51,440
it was the oss or osa or something and

1131
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:52,800
then eventually

1132
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,720
uh the cia or fbi they broke apart but

1133
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,280
you see a lot of turf war that happens

1134
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:01,280
in these uh

1135
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,560
intellectual

1136
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,640
intelligence communities and that's

1137
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:06,960
what's going to happen here but you

1138
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:09,599
you're going against an entrenched

1139
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,640
deeply secretive

1140
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:15,119
militaristic and intelligence group who

1141
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:16,160
has

1142
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:19,599
decades and decades of experience in how

1143
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:20,560
to

1144
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:24,560
uh

1145
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:25,920
obtain it

1146
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:28,160
quickly and and put the fires out

1147
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,520
rapidly

1148
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,040
um

1149
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,680
you know i i suspect these committee

1150
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,240
members and chairs while they have

1151
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:38,240
plausible deniability because you know

1152
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,000
they they really don't know what's going

1153
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,000
on they put people there who've never

1154
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,400
been truly

1155
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:47,520
briefed on the deep and richness of the

1156
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,240
the phenomenon i'm talking going back

1157
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:52,240
you know the last hundred years

1158
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:53,200
um

1159
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,640
they don't know

1160
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,040
what's going on but i bet i bet you they

1161
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,119
know who the gatekeepers are

1162
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:01,520
right and they can't say anything

1163
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,319
because of the classification so they're

1164
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:05,920
still tied

1165
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:11,119
so it's it's this really strange kind of

1166
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:13,280
insidious knot

1167
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,560
within the military branches that is

1168
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,319
keeping

1169
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,319
more of the information from trickling

1170
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,200
up i'm not saying that the us as general

1171
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,160
people will ever get that information

1172
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:28,240
but it's keeping that information from

1173
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:29,280
reaching

1174
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:30,400
higher

1175
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,760
uh authorities on people that were voted

1176
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:35,200
in on

1177
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:36,079
you know

1178
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,800
so

1179
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,880
i i don't know if the committees are

1180
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:40,000
really

1181
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,040
bring

1182
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,599
uh more awareness to it and and they're

1183
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:47,920
not going to find anything because i

1184
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,240
don't think it's in their interest to to

1185
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,480
find anything that's why these coal at

1186
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,319
this this coalition

1187
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,119
uh is important

1188
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,119
yeah even we were commenting uh we were

1189
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,040
talking to jimmy church on the last

1190
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,359
episode and we were commenting on the

1191
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:05,280
video that they selected

1192
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:07,760
at the congress hearing to show them

1193
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,559
what a video of a uap is and it was

1194
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,559
probably one of the shittiest videos

1195
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,240
that could have possibly been selected

1196
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:16,240
right intentionally yeah they also

1197
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,079
didn't edit the the video clip to you

1198
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:22,720
know frame when the object would be in

1199
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,200
it that you know this is

1200
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:27,599
this is a major hearing they knew it

1201
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:30,160
would be publicized and viewed

1202
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,640
by millions and millions of people it

1203
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,400
would be covered via media

1204
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,400
and you're telling me that they didn't

1205
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,119
have the foresight our military who's

1206
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:41,680
like one of the greatest

1207
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,599
entities the world has ever seen in

1208
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,880
terms of

1209
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:46,720
strategic foresight

1210
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:49,359
didn't have the foresight to edit a

1211
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,400
video that is completely

1212
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,040
uh related to the topic of the

1213
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:57,599
commission hearing right so i you know

1214
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,079
that that type of stuff shows me

1215
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:02,720
loud enough that one they're not taking

1216
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,240
it seriously two uh they have no real

1217
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:07,680
interest

1218
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:08,880
they're trying to downplay they're

1219
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,640
trying to make it seem like hey you know

1220
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:12,960
you guys wanted this hearing yep here's

1221
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,200
this grainy little video and oh you see

1222
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:17,200
that that was it everybody so they think

1223
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,520
it's like one frame they have to admit

1224
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,839
that there is a phenomenon now they they

1225
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,000
have to admit it begrudgingly yeah and

1226
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,400
they're gonna do so in in the manner

1227
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,319
that makes it look as

1228
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,480
sure benign is possible they're not

1229
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:32,079
going to subpoena people that they can't

1230
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:33,440
control and don't know what their

1231
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,359
answers are going to be and they're not

1232
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:37,520
going to take cletus from oklahoma who

1233
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:40,000
got abducted out of a cornfield and put

1234
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:41,119
them on the stand because you don't know

1235
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,800
what they're going to say and that's

1236
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:44,640
dangerous like you said they have the

1237
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,880
foresight they're not going to slip up

1238
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:48,960
and and shoot themselves in the foot it

1239
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:51,839
was staged not staged in a

1240
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,400
bad way per se but they knew we're going

1241
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:55,920
to discuss this this is how it's going

1242
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,720
to go

1243
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:58,480
they covered the bases before the thing

1244
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:00,880
got started and they made sure that they

1245
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:03,599
kept as much of it on a not a big deal

1246
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,400
level

1247
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,119
absolutely absolutely and you know

1248
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,720
they picked people who find it

1249
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:10,880
interesting but at the end of the day

1250
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:13,520
their job isn't tied to the success or

1251
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,480
failure of whether or not this committee

1252
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,960
presents anything of of note that's

1253
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:21,280
right it doesn't matter to them so this

1254
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:24,880
is you know this is just a temporary

1255
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,079
step for their careers and going back to

1256
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:30,240
what you're saying about subpoena you

1257
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:33,760
can't legally subpoena these uh

1258
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,640
these gatekeepers because they're doing

1259
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,480
their legal duty

1260
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:40,480
under uh the

1261
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:43,760
classification system uh and you can't

1262
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:45,599
you can't break that you can't break

1263
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:48,640
breach their security um because you

1264
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,280
have a interest at least not yet they

1265
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,119
don't have the legal that's what we

1266
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:55,920
really need jag to

1267
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,800
really

1268
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:58,079
start

1269
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,119
attacking this this system so we can get

1270
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,880
more information

1271
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,079
it's like you look at how

1272
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,960
compartmentalized the aerospace world is

1273
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,559
the government's the same thing

1274
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:10,720
everything is in a box you only have one

1275
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:13,040
piece of the puzzle and there's very few

1276
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,319
people like you call them the

1277
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,400
gatekeepers very few that know the whole

1278
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:19,200
picture and maybe like you said even

1279
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:20,720
presidents themselves need to have

1280
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:23,839
plausible deniability in the event of

1281
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:26,559
absolutely i think i think probably the

1282
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,839
last president who had

1283
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,160
probably the most access would have been

1284
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:34,800
george bush senior yeah because he was

1285
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:36,880
from the cia right

1286
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:39,599
right and he came yeah he came from the

1287
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,319
early day earlier days

1288
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,880
uh when it was probably spoken about

1289
00:51:49,549 --> 00:51:46,960
more open in the intelligence

1290
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:49,559
communities before it got

1291
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,319
compartmentalized away completely

1292
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:54,480
uh he may have had a hand in how that

1293
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:57,440
was uh structured but i'm i'm not sure i

1294
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,160
i just my hypothesis i think he probably

1295
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:02,559
was one of the last presidents who were

1296
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:05,599
more thoroughly read in on on the topic

1297
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,400
yeah

1298
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:08,240
and there's a reason obviously why they

1299
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,760
don't fill in any

1300
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:11,280
you know presidents as you mentioned

1301
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,400
louis is just you know they're

1302
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:13,920
short-term they're not going to be there

1303
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,319
forever right they're also morons i mean

1304
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,079
let's let's be honest here they're just

1305
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,630
yeah i mean come on the last

1306
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:26,240
i mean the last

1307
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:28,000
four or five presidents

1308
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:29,280
says everything

1309
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:30,720
i think obama was the most

1310
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,520
intellectually sound but even him like

1311
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:35,920
he wasn't the best option in the united

1312
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,480
states to serve as a president right

1313
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,480
yeah this is you know this

1314
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,000
and this is what paul

1315
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,920
the political parties do they they

1316
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:45,119
present you

1317
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:48,319
with their option not your option

1318
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:51,839
it's their option for you to choose from

1319
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,960
and it's always somebody who's you know

1320
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:57,119
not going to really change change the

1321
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,559
way things are done

1322
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,720
yeah keep status quo do you think we're

1323
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,720
gonna get to a point where um

1324
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,559
politicians run

1325
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,200
campaigns based on disclosure like

1326
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:09,680
mentioning you know if i get elected i'm

1327
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,680
gonna really push for this well clinton

1328
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,760
tried that and he said like if i get in

1329
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,760
i'm gonna make him tell me and then even

1330
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,440
towards the end of his term he's like i

1331
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,599
asked and they didn't tell me either you

1332
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:21,440
know if they do exist they didn't let me

1333
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:22,640
in on it did he mention there's a

1334
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,400
government within the government and he

1335
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,400
doesn't control that like something

1336
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,480
along those lines like there's just

1337
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,319
well several presidents have mentioned

1338
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,119
that i mean kennedy yeah you get killed

1339
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:35,359
and stuff like that yeah yeah yeah you

1340
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:36,319
do

1341
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,520
for sure

1342
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:39,440
um

1343
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,400
so

1344
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,640
yeah you know i don't think politicians

1345
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,480
will ever use that as their

1346
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,480
quote-unquote platform they may use it

1347
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,640
as one of their talking points

1348
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,960
i think what we'll see pretty soon here

1349
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:52,880
is politicians

1350
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:54,839
campaigning on

1351
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:57,920
uh you know i'd be real happy to see

1352
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:01,359
term limits used for yeah as a platform

1353
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:02,240
uh

1354
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:04,400
but most of the time it's it's the

1355
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:06,800
social points the social talking points

1356
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,680
that really don't change the economy or

1357
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:11,920
how people's day-to-day lives is they're

1358
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:14,640
just the emotional hot buttons that the

1359
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,319
populace likes to discuss it's never

1360
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,640
anything i mean look at andrew yang i i

1361
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:22,880
believe he was probably one of the

1362
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:25,839
better presidential candidates and they

1363
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:28,240
literally didn't cover him in the media

1364
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,760
and when they did they

1365
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,960
intentionally

1366
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:32,880
mispronounced his name put up wrong

1367
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:34,000
pictures

1368
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:36,960
why because he didn't focus on the

1369
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:41,520
uh social divide he focused on actual

1370
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,000
solutions to the economy

1371
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:46,559
actual solutions we don't want that

1372
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,559
well you know it's it sounds it sounds

1373
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:52,799
negative and it sounds

1374
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:55,599
pessimistic and it sounds like i just

1375
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,640
hate government and but

1376
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:00,640
unfortunately that's that's the reality

1377
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:03,280
this is this is the reality we've come

1378
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,319
to live in and and i don't blame any one

1379
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:08,319
politician for this because

1380
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:11,839
it has been the creation of hundreds of

1381
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:14,240
politicians over the course of the last

1382
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:17,280
50 60 years that have created this

1383
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,559
environment

1384
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,119
um and it you know

1385
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,280
so this is where we are money drives

1386
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,680
politics what drives money corporate

1387
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,160
interests what drives corporate interest

1388
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:30,720
the the you know the interests of those

1389
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,680
who own the corporations right

1390
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:35,200
disclosure's gonna come from the

1391
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:37,839
civilians you know private groups people

1392
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,640
you know we tatted with um caroline cory

1393
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,720
about her movie of tear in the sky and

1394
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,240
one of the guys in the movie was michael

1395
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:46,640
mason or david mason and he's like a

1396
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:48,960
genius you know he took machines that

1397
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:51,359
can see a light in the sky turn it into

1398
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,359
a wave form and give it a unique

1399
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:55,520
identifier so after a while you're like

1400
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,079
yeah that's a 747 that we don't know

1401
00:56:02,309 --> 00:56:00,160
what it is so you have people that are

1402
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,319
now using their brains and getting money

1403
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:04,240
in the private sector

1404
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,799
and doing their own research and again

1405
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,640
there's a lot of these experiments that

1406
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,640
bear fruit you don't have to sit there

1407
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:12,000
for months and months and months to see

1408
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:14,079
something weird happen so i think rather

1409
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:15,440
than waiting for the government to

1410
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,079
miraculously open these doors we need to

1411
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,480
build a body of evidence ourselves and

1412
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:22,160
then have them try to refute the

1413
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:24,559
evidence that's clearly there you know

1414
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,920
the government will will never

1415
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:30,480
have a formalized disclosure that that

1416
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:33,200
doesn't exist what has happened is

1417
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,960
a type of disclosure in that

1418
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,440
we now have social acceptance

1419
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:41,520
right how did that happen well that

1420
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,680
happened through several different

1421
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:45,760
channels it happened through

1422
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:50,240
you know the release of ttsa's uh

1423
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:52,960
introduction of louisando

1424
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:55,520
new york times picking up tom delong's

1425
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:56,720
research

1426
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,760
with ttsa and publishing that then it

1427
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,400
was senators coming forward then it was

1428
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:05,520
uh pilots and then it was intellectual

1429
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:08,640
scientists avi loeb so it's been all of

1430
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:11,359
these things that have kind of coalesced

1431
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:15,520
to create this uh natural

1432
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:18,960
threshold of belief right this populist

1433
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:21,520
belief now is

1434
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,440
so when i was a kid if you talked about

1435
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,680
ufos

1436
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,359
eight times out of ten people would

1437
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,880
laugh at you

1438
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,559
that's that's ridiculous

1439
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:32,960
i honestly even people

1440
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:35,599
with little scientific knowledge or

1441
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,319
interest in the subject matter

1442
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:40,400
most people will say yeah yeah they're

1443
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:41,839
real

1444
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:49,520
were never allowed that moment of awe

1445
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,079
the the moment of awe that we always

1446
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,480
have dreamt about

1447
00:58:02,309 --> 00:57:56,400
never happened

1448
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:02,319
still are stuck in this

1449
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,359
notion

1450
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,760
that disclosure hasn't happened but

1451
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:08,000
that's not true disclosure has happened

1452
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:11,359
and woven into the populist narrative

1453
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,839
it's why we're speaking about this now

1454
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:15,839
it's why publications it's why

1455
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:18,400
scientists are creating coalitions it's

1456
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:22,000
why government is creating committees

1457
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,880
it's here we need to all allow the off

1458
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:26,400
for ourselves

1459
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:28,880
to really accept the fact we are not

1460
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,200
alone in this universe whether or not

1461
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:33,119
these entities are

1462
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:35,440
mechanical or a.i

1463
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,240
stemming from some sort of weird ai

1464
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:41,200
sentience or biological and it doesn't

1465
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,640
really matter

1466
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:45,359
it truly doesn't matter we're not alone

1467
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:48,079
what it is they want clearly it's pretty

1468
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:51,200
benign i mean aside from people saying

1469
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:52,160
that they

1470
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:53,520
you know were

1471
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:54,960
abducted

1472
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:57,520
uh the fact that they came back alive i

1473
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,799
mean yeah

1474
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,400
yeah they never throw them out the

1475
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,240
airlock i've said that for two years on

1476
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,400
the podcast right they don't and that's

1477
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,319
if you believe everybody and i

1478
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:08,400
personally am i'm a i'm a staunch

1479
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:11,680
skeptic and i still am a believer but i

1480
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:15,200
always take the route of initial healthy

1481
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:16,559
skepticism

1482
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,599
i try really hard not to be a cynic and

1483
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:21,200
that's what happens to a lot of

1484
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:23,040
intellectuals who

1485
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,640
get uh rooted in a belief system

1486
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,720
and neil degrasse tyson is a perfect

1487
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:30,240
example of this

1488
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:35,119
uh at once heralded as a great uh

1489
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:38,559
voice for the scientific endeavor has

1490
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:41,839
now become a laughingstock because he

1491
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:43,119
cannot

1492
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:44,559
allow

1493
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:47,280
his cynicism

1494
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:49,040
to to let it go

1495
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,760
healthy skepticism is an important part

1496
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:54,000
of this topic

1497
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:55,920
you cannot believe everything you read

1498
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:58,240
i'm sure both of you are extremely well

1499
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:00,319
read on the topic if you believed

1500
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,559
everything you read we'd have lizard

1501
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:04,880
people knocking on our door at every

1502
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:08,640
moment yeah uh right and

1503
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:11,599
but if you deny everything as a cynic

1504
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:12,480
your

1505
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,400
well he was a

1506
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,720
pupil of uh carl sagan and carl sagan

1507
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,799
was a strong adamant

1508
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:22,880
uh person that you know it's impossible

1509
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:25,520
for civilization to come see us i have a

1510
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:29,280
i have a hypothesis and carl sagan

1511
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:32,640
actually was not always

1512
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:36,240
he early in his career he was a a big

1513
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:37,520
proponent

1514
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:38,960
in the

1515
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:41,920
universe was propagated with life and

1516
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:44,640
complex life and intelligent life and

1517
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:47,280
then at some point he made a pivot

1518
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,079
and so what we've seen is

1519
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,000
neil degrasse tyson and some other

1520
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,240
people have done similar things

1521
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,400
and what this tells me

1522
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:58,880
i may be wrong here but my knowledge of

1523
01:01:02,870 --> 01:00:59,839
how

1524
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:02,880
these things work and operate as someone

1525
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:05,680
who's signed ndas

1526
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,319
once you're read into something

1527
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:10,079
they have you

1528
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:11,920
you no longer can talk about it you

1529
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,079
can't infer about it

1530
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:17,040
uh unless you're like given some sort of

1531
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:18,319
leeway

1532
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:19,280
uh

1533
01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:20,400
so

1534
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:21,760
he you know

1535
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:23,440
it

1536
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:25,920
who knows maybe carl sagan was read into

1537
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:28,400
it and sat on a think tank about the

1538
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:31,599
phenomenon and due to that he could no

1539
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:32,880
longer

1540
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,520
advocate for it or you know perhaps that

1541
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:37,200
was part of it perhaps that's what

1542
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:38,640
happened with neil degrasse tyson

1543
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:40,960
because who do these administrators go

1544
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:43,280
to when they need assistance on the

1545
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:46,079
greatest scientific problems they go to

1546
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:48,640
the most public scientists yeah the

1547
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,599
people who are the most intelligent who

1548
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:53,280
what you know the presidents went to

1549
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:56,240
einstein when they they needed questions

1550
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:57,599
uh answered

1551
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:58,559
and

1552
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:01,039
it's not far-fetched that some of these

1553
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:04,480
scientists were read in to something

1554
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:07,200
yeah and due to that can no longer no

1555
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:09,119
matter what

1556
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:12,799
discuss it in terms of a reality

1557
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,160
uh

1558
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,000
so you know that's possible or it's

1559
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:18,240
possible he's just

1560
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:21,839
so foolish that he he will not allow

1561
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:24,400
for the logic to sink in

1562
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:26,960
well even on his tv show he's on a

1563
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:29,359
spaceship going through space and other

1564
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:30,400
planets

1565
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:33,599
i mean that's that's quite hypocritical

1566
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:37,760
is that spaceship in that cgi is very

1567
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:40,720
accurate to how a

1568
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:43,280
craft operating this these type of

1569
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:45,680
fields would might look

1570
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:46,480
right

1571
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:48,960
you'd have a seamless uh

1572
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:49,920
very

1573
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,549
so just uh in closing here i had a

1574
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,160
question for you what

1575
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:00,880
is what can you tell us about the buzz

1576
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:03,520
behind the scenes right now in the ufo

1577
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:04,960
world like i know there's certain things

1578
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:06,799
you're not allowed to talk about

1579
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:09,680
but uh is there anything coming up that

1580
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,359
we get to look forward to is there a

1581
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:13,359
momentum going on behind the scenes that

1582
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:14,960
we're not aware of

1583
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,359
where are they keeping the aliens man

1584
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:19,440
where are they keeping them if i knew i

1585
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,960
wouldn't be doing it

1586
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:22,319
i wouldn't be doing what i'm doing

1587
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:29,750
the the the buzz is really you know what

1588
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:33,359
you see what what is being propagated on

1589
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:35,440
all these podcasts all the interviews

1590
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,480
you read

1591
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,240
there's really nothing

1592
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:40,799
in the background aside from

1593
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:44,880
you know the these committees and

1594
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:47,280
the coalition which i told you what you

1595
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:48,880
know kind of what they're doing what

1596
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:54,549
you do have

1597
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:56,880
james webb and you have some other

1598
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:00,079
instrumentation that's being

1599
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:03,119
pointed to to the celestial bodies to

1600
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:05,039
kind of search for

1601
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:08,079
things nasa's just come on board

1602
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:11,280
there really isn't anything

1603
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:13,200
secretive right now

1604
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:17,200
that that i'm aware of uh or or being

1605
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:18,799
held back from

1606
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:21,359
discussing outside of my ndas and work

1607
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:24,240
with with corporations in the past

1608
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:25,280
uh

1609
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:28,400
people to really keep an eye on

1610
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:32,789
yeah are

1611
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:35,200
are the pilots that have witnessed these

1612
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:36,160
things

1613
01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:38,240
uh the scientists that are involving

1614
01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:41,839
themselves with the coalition

1615
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,760
companies that are working on

1616
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:46,640
[Music]

1617
01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:49,119
advanced technologies so quantum

1618
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:52,400
computing material science

1619
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:54,720
propulsion techniques

1620
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:56,240
um

1621
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:59,359
these are all things that i believe so

1622
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:01,440
you know

1623
01:05:06,029 --> 01:05:03,680
i really think that

1624
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,039
we're going to see a trend in

1625
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:09,359
government-backed research of reverse

1626
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:12,640
engineering the observed phenomenon so

1627
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:14,079
since we

1628
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:19,200
the technologies that we're observing

1629
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:22,000
what's going to happen is that programs

1630
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:25,119
and even companies with high amounts of

1631
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:28,079
financial backing are going to attempt

1632
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:30,960
to reverse engineer what is being

1633
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:33,520
observed so you start with an

1634
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:35,599
observation and you say

1635
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:37,359
how could that be done

1636
01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:38,480
okay

1637
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,720
so what you know it would take this type

1638
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:42,640
of material how do we obtain that type

1639
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,960
of material okay

1640
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:46,559
where do we get our power generation

1641
01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:49,119
okay how do we do this so this kind of

1642
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:52,240
uh reverse engineering through

1643
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:53,599
the market

1644
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:55,200
i think is going to take place and i

1645
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:57,520
think we'll see like government-backed

1646
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:01,359
grants for companies that are willing to

1647
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:04,400
kind of tackle these problems that's

1648
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:06,640
that's kind of my forecast for what's to

1649
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:08,319
come in the next 10

1650
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:10,079
10 15 years

1651
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:12,400
almost like a darpa extension

1652
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:15,599
yeah well you see that the air force

1653
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:18,240
in in the last handful of years has done

1654
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:20,799
it's called the af works where they

1655
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:23,359
directly

1656
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:25,520
work with

1657
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:28,720
companies and ventures who

1658
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:30,160
are either

1659
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,039
providing a service or a technology that

1660
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:35,280
may benefit the air force so they're

1661
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:37,200
interfacing directly now with

1662
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:38,960
entrepreneurs

1663
01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:41,039
which i believe is a really intelligent

1664
01:06:48,150 --> 01:06:44,319
way it used to be just backhand lobbying

1665
01:06:50,549 --> 01:06:48,160
was the only means and they they quickly

1666
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:50,559
saw that in the 21st century that they

1667
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:54,240
were missing out on a ton of uh

1668
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,200
technologies and goods and services and

1669
01:07:01,510 --> 01:06:59,440
intellectual property that they could

1670
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:01,520
access more if they just went public

1671
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:04,079
with their interests so you get these

1672
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:05,119
the

1673
01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:09,920
does a similar type of event

1674
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:12,839
where they host for

1675
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:17,039
um companies to kind of pitch ideas

1676
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:18,480
and stuff so

1677
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:23,119
yeah it really is kind of uh

1678
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:24,960
to

1679
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:31,839
what they're observing right really

1680
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:34,000
boils down to that and puts them ahead

1681
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:35,520
of the game right that's another thing

1682
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:37,359
about this technology

1683
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:38,240
yeah

1684
01:07:44,069 --> 01:07:41,039
and anyone who's anyone i'm sorry to

1685
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:44,079
interrupt time no no or unlimited time

1686
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:45,359
anyone

1687
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:48,079
who is

1688
01:07:52,470 --> 01:07:50,960
high up in a military branch or in an

1689
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:52,480
administration

1690
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,079
who makes a claim that these are uh

1691
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,480
could even even the claim that they

1692
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:01,200
could be foreign technologies they're

1693
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:02,480
lying

1694
01:08:08,549 --> 01:08:05,680
because they're exposed to more

1695
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:08,559
cutting edge technology than i am and i

1696
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:11,359
have a great deal of exposure and what i

1697
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:14,000
can say is that no

1698
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:16,239
company or government has the

1699
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:18,480
capabilities to do this it's not

1700
01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:19,759
possible

1701
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:23,839
wouldn't make sense in a strategic

1702
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:26,159
economic sense because they would be

1703
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:29,759
utilizing this so anybody who's saying

1704
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:32,799
that this is could be adversarial

1705
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:34,319
it's nonsense

1706
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:37,279
it's absolute nonsense

1707
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:39,279
and they're lying through their teeth

1708
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,440
and they know it because they know what

1709
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:43,920
the capabilities of current technology

1710
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:46,480
is doesn't matter what country there are

1711
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:49,120
limitations based on just

1712
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:51,359
pure

1713
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,759
science and engineering that

1714
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:55,120
you know are

1715
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:57,279
are unable to be done

1716
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,640
right they would have to be so

1717
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:00,640
significantly

1718
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:02,560
further advanced that they would not

1719
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:06,080
even resemble the society that is alive

1720
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:07,199
today

1721
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:08,880
right right so

1722
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:12,799
it's just a it's a it's a smoke screen

1723
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:14,719
they don't know what it is well they do

1724
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:15,839
when they don't

1725
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:17,520
if we're dealing with the class two

1726
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:20,319
civilization to them to us whatever it

1727
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:21,600
is that they do

1728
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:23,679
appears like magic we can't figure it

1729
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:26,080
out it's just you know it's amazing you

1730
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:28,960
know we can we have an idea right i

1731
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:31,520
don't think anything is is

1732
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:33,839
magical i don't think we need to induce

1733
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:36,159
time travel or time dilation i don't

1734
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,080
think we need to induce

1735
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:40,560
higher states of

1736
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:42,640
consciousness while that may be part of

1737
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:45,040
it i think that everything can be

1738
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:47,600
explained through sufficiently advanced

1739
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:50,880
technologies yeah given enough time

1740
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:53,920
technology and material science can

1741
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:56,239
perform every single one of these

1742
01:10:01,750 --> 01:09:59,040
observables right we can theorize on

1743
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:01,760
that we know how this could work

1744
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:05,040
just because we don't have the

1745
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:05,840
the

1746
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:10,480
materials right now it does not mean

1747
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:13,280
they knew we could fly

1748
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,760
400 years ago they tried they knew it

1749
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:18,080
would be possible we just hadn't kind of

1750
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:20,800
stumbled upon the right formula yet

1751
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:22,719
right until the wright brothers figured

1752
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,600
it out

1753
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:25,440
but we knew we could do it

1754
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:28,640
and back then you know we wouldn't say

1755
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:32,800
that flying was you know only for

1756
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:36,000
gods or maybe some people would but i i

1757
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:37,760
i don't think everyone would they see

1758
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:39,120
birds flying

1759
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:44,640
anyway my point is that uh

1760
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:46,400
it's happening quickly

1761
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:48,320
people are

1762
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:50,480
researching this stuff money is being

1763
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:52,880
spent in the background on this and i

1764
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:54,560
kind of leave with the same statement

1765
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:56,560
every time right

1766
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:57,520
people

1767
01:11:02,470 --> 01:10:59,920
governments companies they're spending

1768
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:02,480
money on this stuff this this is real

1769
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:04,080
this is uh

1770
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:07,040
real anyone who's telling you that

1771
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:09,920
they don't think it's it's a phenomenon

1772
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:12,320
they're either lying to you or they're

1773
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:16,320
just rooted in cynicism which is sad

1774
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:18,080
because they're not allowing themselves

1775
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:20,880
the moment of awe so i wish we could all

1776
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:23,600
take that collective moment and and

1777
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:27,360
embrace our reality and move on and move

1778
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:30,400
forward to a much better future

1779
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:31,520
well said

1780
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:32,880
louis do you have any final questions

1781
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:34,560
for our guest today oh we'll uh we'll

1782
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,800
wish mackay morin a very warm welcome

1783
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,640
again and thanks for being on our show

1784
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,400
it's nice to have somebody with the

1785
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:42,320
breadth of knowledge that you have

1786
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:44,000
firsthand because of obviously your

1787
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:45,600
training but what you do on a day-to-day

1788
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,920
basis people you speak to

1789
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:49,360
and when you're an enthusiast you're

1790
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:51,440
motivated to kind of feed that right you

1791
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,760
thirst for it you're like a sponge so i

1792
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:55,440
think the movement is better because of

1793
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:56,880
people like yourself

1794
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,400
and you're definitely

1795
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:00,400
yeah you're contributing to the uh to

1796
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:02,239
the common good and you're one of the

1797
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:03,840
good guys so thanks for being on our

1798
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:05,920
show thank you gentlemen i sincerely

1799
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:08,080
appreciate it let's let's do it again in

1800
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:09,679
the future and maybe

1801
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:12,000
touch base on some new material that's

1802
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:13,840
come come true that was good you are

1803
01:12:17,810 --> 01:12:16,400
always welcome on this podcast my friend